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Did the political thing come down on them as well?

Well… Pedro Morales stayed, and a few years later became their champion, but they ran Buddy Killer Austin out of the territory about the
same time they did me.

Was there ever any interest in bringing you back?

Well, you know I’m from Maryland, just outside of Washington, DC, and a couple of years later I was back to visit my mother and I dropped
into the office. Arnold Skaaland was there, and by this time I was working main events as Cowboy Ron Reed, and he asked me if I
wanted to work TV that night, and I told him I wouldn’t do any jobs. So he got on the phone and called Vince McMahon right then and there
and said, “Hey, Ron’s here and he’ll work but he won’t do a job,” and Vince McMahon said, “Well, then we can’t use him.” I wasn’t going to
do a job on TV.

Understandable from their end too, you’re gone the next day. After you were Buddy Colt, did they ever sound you about coming back
up?

No.

Okay, where did you go from there?

Arizona, basically. I stopped on the way and worked a match for Pedro Martinez in Buffalo, New York. Buddy Rogers picked up the phone
and called Pedro Martinez in Buffalo and he got me booked there when I was on my way out of New York through to Arizona. I worked with
Dr. Jerry Graham. I had seen him on television when I was a kid in Maryland, I remember seeing him as a single, and also with Eddie
Graham as a partner. And so I worked with him in Buffalo, and by then he had gotten… pretty fat. He was always big but by now he was
fat. So I did a job for him on the way through at the house match, at the City Auditorium or wherever it was in Buffalo. Pedro Martinez was
only running that one town, one every week or once every two or three weeks, so I just worked that one night, and after I left there I was on
my way to Arizona.  

Now who was running Phoenix at that point? Was this Fuller or Er---

His name was Ernie Mohammed.

Les Thatcher told me about him---was Les out there then?

No.

Okay, must have been before he went. One of the things Les told me about was working some shows on the Indian reservations out
there.

Yes, I worked on several Indian reservations out there, and they just sat there stone-faced. It was very hard to get a rise out of them. And I
was working as Cowboy Ron Reed. Same thing with the Japanese, very hard to get a rise out of them.

Yeah, same thing Les said. How long did you stay out in the Phoenix territory?

Oh, about… about two or three months. I left Phoenix, I got myself booked in Oklahoma. For LeRoy McGuirk. On the way to Oklahoma, I
stopped and worked in El Paso, for Gory Guerrero, just one night in the house match there, no TV, and from there I drove up to Tulsa. My
first match was actually on Oklahoma City TV. I don’t remember who it was with.

And this is your first time with LeRoy McGuirk. Anything notable about this first run?

No… no, they used me, same thing, up and down, you know, as a semi-final, and I saw I wasn‘t going to be a star, and so… during those
first few formative years, is when I was lookin’ for the right territory, where I would be main event, and so as soon as I saw I wasn’t going
to be main event, I would telephone, I was always sending my pictures out, and usually all I would have to do was get on the telephone
and I would get myself booked.

Was this where you first met Bill Watts?

Yes. He was not working in the booking office then.

And so from there, little time with LeRoy, you got yourself booked back in Georgia for the second time.

Yes.

And this was when there was the big split between…

Fred Ward, and Ray Gunkel and McIntyre. And Buddy Fuller was booking, at the time, for Gunkel and McIntyre.

Do you remember any of the back story that was going on with that?

No… um… not a whole lot. I knew there was a split, Fred Ward didn’t want to pay the money, what they were requesting of him to pay for
his booking fee, and they had the split, Fred Ward said he didn’t need it, he’d run his own territory, which he did… and while I was there,
they got back together.

Okay, then after you’d been back for a little bit and they got back together, was when McIntyre sold out to Fuller, correct?

Yes.

And during the interim time, during the switchover, was Les Wolfe doing the booking?

Les Wolfe was there all the time, he seemed to be pretty important. But he wasn’t doing the actual booking, no. Fuller was booking.

Did (Leo) Garibaldi have anything to do with the booking yet?

No.

Did Little Eagle ever have anything to do with the booking?

No. Not to my knowledge, not while I was there.

You had some matches with the Destroyer, which we know wasn’t (Dick) Beyer, it was Johnny Long, but were they trying to put him
over as the Beyer Destroyer?

No.

Okay, so you stayed in the terri---

Well, let me tell you about this one incident that happened when I was in Atlanta this time: one of Fred Ward’s towns was Phenix City,
Alabama, which was right over the bridge from Columbus, that he ran through a local promoter in an outdoor baseball park, and I worked
with Don Carson, who was one of the top heels around there, and was somewhat of a favorite son in that town in spite of being a heel.
And we’re doing our match and we’re outside the ring, which was right in the middle of the infield with dirt around it, and Don starts
running from me and I chase him back to the dressing room, and he runs inside the dressing room and slams the door.

I get back to the ring and here come the cops, come after me, and I start to struggle with them, and wind up in the stands and I hear some
of the wrestling fans shouting, “Hey! Cowboy Ron Reed just broke out of the handcuffs!” because they didn’t have them on me real tight.

Well, they finally handcuff me, took me to the downtown booking office in the jail, mud and dirt all over me from the infield, and they were
booking me. Then the local promoter, he showed up and put up a bond for me. They had me charged with Assault and Battery, and I was
doing what you’re supposed to do as the babyface in a wrestling match. They said I had assaulted and battered Don Carson by fighting
with him outside of the ring.

My jaw is dropped listening to this.

Yeah, so was mine at the time, too. You know, it was unbelievable. So the promoter puts up the money for my bond, so I go back over to
Georgia and go back to Atlanta where I was living.

And about a week or so later I went back to Phenix City, Alabama, with my girlfriend at the time, for the arraignment. And the promoter was
supposed to have me represented with an attorney, said he was going to have the charges dismissed, because I was only doing what I
was supposed to do. So this attorney comes up to me and said he needed three hundred dollars retainer to represent me. This was
1964, that would be like three thousand dollars now. I said, “You what?”

He said, “I want a $300 retainer.”

I said, “Well, I‘ve got to go out to the car and get my checkbook.” So I tell my girlfriend, “Let’s go back out to my car.”

She said, “What for? You don’t have a che---”

“Yeah,“ I said, “come on, let’s go.”

(laughter)

So we walk back out to the car, she says, “What are you doing?”

I said, “I’m getting the hell out of Phenix City, Alabama.” So we hop in my car, I drive across the bridge, and I breathe a sigh of relief when I
get back to Atlanta. By the time we got there, the local promoter had called in to the booking office raising hell that I had jumped bond. I
said, “Shit, I didn’t have money to put up a three hundred dollar retainer when I got a twenty-five dollar payoff.” And so there’s a warrant for
my arrest in Alabama, so I never went back to Phenix City. And the promoter was all pissed off that he had to pay the money out of his
pocket, but the stupid ass, he was supposed to have had the lawyer to represent me, I was doing my job. That was the first time I jumped
bond.

God Damn. Okay, and so again, you stayed in the territory about---wait a minute, the first time you jumped bond?

Yes.

Meaning, um…

Yes, there was another time. In Florida, after the plane crash. I was---

Okay, I’ll ask that when we get there. Okay, so, you were in Atlanta about three, four months… ?

That’s right. You knew by that time whether you were going to be a star or not, and from there I went to Houston, Texas, Morry Sigel I think
was the promoter…

… Morris, yeah…

… that’s where I first met Paul Jones.

Had Paul started in the business yet?

Yes. My first match in the territory was in Dallas, was against Paul.

Was he Paul Jones yet, or still Al Frederick?

He was Paul Jones. He had just started. He was dating Morry Sigel’s daughter.

I wonder how he fit her in.

(laughter) Yeah, I know.

Stories I’ve heard about Paul are legendary.

Yes, he was quite the man…

Heard some about you, too, by the way.

I couldn’t keep up with Paul… or  * * (name, along with several minutes of ensuing discussion, withheld to protect the innocent, and
others).

Now, working in Texas, still Cowboy Ron Reed at this point, right?

Yes.

Did you do a lot of interviews? Because…

No, you would mainly do interviews if you were being figured as the main event. I wasn’t being figured as the main event---

Yeah, because I was gonna say…

Right. Now in Texas I met Pat O’Connor, who was one of the promoters in Kansas City, and I knew they used Cowboy Bob Ellis quite a bit
up there, and I got to talkin’ to Pat, I said, “I would like to come to Kansas City, and I’m ready to drop the ‘Cowboy’ and be Ron Reed.” And
while I was in Houston, I met Louie Tillet who was in Houston at the time, and he had started booking in Phoenix, so I talked to him and
he booked me back in Phoenix.

Was it still Ernie Mohammed out there, or was it Fuller?

It wasn’t Ernie Mohammed. It was Fuller.

Was Les there at that point?

No. I don‘t think so. I didn’t stay that long. I was still not main event then. You could be there a few weeks and tell if they had you figured for
that. I was still just learning how to work.

Right, and already making something of a name, because at that point I‘m a kid, I‘m watching wrestling on TV, going to the matches
at Miami Beach Auditorium, reading the magazines, and I knew the name and the face Cowboy Ron Reed.

I think, traveling around territory to territory, it helped get the name around. I never stayed in one place long enough to really get hurt
anywhere. And so Phoenix, I had another short stint, with Louie Tillet as the booker. And then when I was there, I get the call from Pat O’
Connor in Kansas City, wanting me to come to Kansas City. So I gave notice in Phoenix, and went there, and dropped the ’Cowboy’ and
now I was Ron Reed.

And this is where you started getting the main events.

Yup.

Cause I see a couple runs with the Central States title…

My first title, against Mike DiBiase.

… and another a few months later that you won from Bob Geigel. And these guys had to, I know to some extent everybody was, but
these guys had be a hell of a learning experience to work with.

Oh yeah. A lot of different styles. From territory to territory, different styles, depending on who the booker was and what they were doing
with you.

Okay. If you were going to characterize the variations between styles, booker to booker or territory to territory, what would you say
were the notable differences?

When Buddy Fuller was booking a territory, it was more mayhem, more chairs, more gimmick and wild type of matches. When you got up
to Kansas City and Bob Geigel was booking, it was more of a calm, settled-down wrestling style; Oklahoma was more of a wrestling
style. Alabama was more of a style like Tennessee, where almost anything goes, you know, the referee falls a couple times and the
referee comes back and knocks somebody on their ass, which is horrible.

Yeah. That’s one of the things that always drove me nuts about Flair, where the world heavyweight champion gets shoved on his ass
by the referee.

Yeah. It’s horseshit. If you’re a heel, and you end up where the audience laughs, you’re dead.

Okay, Central States, was this also the first time you wrestled Lou Thesz?

First time, and we had the biggest house that St. Joe, Missouri, had had in over ten years. We took a fall apiece and went one-hour
Broadway. It was a great match. I wrestled Lou Thesz several times when I was a babyface, and he would be just kind of a rough
babyface.

That was the thing about when Lou would come in and wrestle against the babyfaces. He would do the rough thing, the subtle heel
thing, and he would make you boo him but he’d make you feel guilty about it at the same time.

Lou Thesz was a great worker, always, but if Lou Thesz didn’t like you or didn’t respect you, he could really make you look bad out there.
You didn’t tell Lou what you were going to do, you asked him what he wanted you to do.

Now you stayed in Central States for… a while, because you were working on top, like about… three years, is that correct?

Yeah, approximately three years. I left once. Bobby Bruns, who was the booker for Sam Muchnick, in St. Louis, had talked to me about
going to Carolina. He said I could probably make a lot of money there, so anyway Bobby Bruns got me booked in Carolina, and I went
there and stayed a few months and I left to go to Australia ‘cause there was George Becker and Johnny Weaver, that were the top
babyfaces there and it was still a big thing, so I think I stayed there about two months, or maybe six weeks, and then I left there and went
to Australia.

Tell me about Australia.

I really enjoyed Australia, it was the only foreign country I’ve ever been to where I could really live in. Great country. I loved it there. Jim
Barnett (this portion of the interview was conducted just prior to Barnett’s death) was the booker. He ran Australia with his partner, what
was his name?

Johnny Doyle.

Johnny Doyle, yeah.

Might as well get this out of the way: did you ever have any ‘experiences’ with Barnett like some guys allege they have?

No, never did. He was the epitome of a gay guy, but I never had anything, any advances from him, whatsoever.

Do you believe the stories that are going around?

Yeah.

Do you believe that’s how Tommy Rich got his title run?

No, I don’t really know Tommy Rich, he may have. I think a lot of the stories came about because Jim Barnett was a gay guy and I know he
liked to be around professional athletes and wrestlers. And what he did, he did away from the ring and away from the building and what
he did on his own is his business and what the guys did with him, that’s their business, so… saying ‘is it true or not‘, I have, I don’t have
an opinion on it.

Great, fair answer. Who were some of the guys who were in Australia on that tour?

Bulldog Dick Brower, Skull Murphy, Dick Steinborn, Mark Lewin, Red Bastien, Joe Scarpa… Karl Gotch…

Did you ever wrestle Karl?

Yes, in a babyface match.

What was he like to be in the ring with?

He was horrible.

Too stiff?

Not… not really stiff, but he had his own style where he was always trying to impress everybody how ‘great’ he was, which was why he
never made any money in the United States. Outside of booking in Japan, he never made any money here, because of his attitude.

Do you have an opinion on if he was as great a shooter and hooker as---

You never know. You only, you only hear it from… see, now, if they had the Ultimate Fighting Championships then like they do now, then
you’d find out. But then you had to look around, you had to say ‘who did he beat’, and you don’t know. There was a story at one time that
him and Bill Miller beat up on Buddy Rogers in a dressing room, I believe it was in Columbus, Ohio---

Yes it was.

… does that make him tough? So it’s a lotta… a lot of hearsay, but I worked out with Karl on the mat in Sydney, Australia, him---Karl---and
Joe Scarpa and myself would go there and work out once in a while. And Karl was very good at hooking and using submission holds, he
was quite adept at that, but how good he would have been against someone like say a Jack Brisco or a Bob Roop or a Dale Lewis or a
Tim Woods, that’s something else again. There never was a way to find out, because it never happened.

Did it ever even happen in the gym that you know of?

No. I hear a lot of that from people that love these stories, but it didn’t happen. No. Maybe there might have been a training session where
Karl was teaching me something or showing me something, but not an actual shoot, no.

Did you ever hear the story where Hiro Matsuda and Danny Hodge were shooting in the gym?

If it was an actual shoot, or if they were just playing around…

No, this is the story, Matsuda used to tell it himself. It was before you were in Florida, but they were having the program over the
Junior title and Matsuda, who you know was a damn good wrestler, and he really wanted to find out. So he went to Gotch and spent
ten grand training with him learning to hook, and then they did it, I guess it was actually in the Sportatorium, and inside of two
minutes Matsuda had to tap out and shook his head and said, “Looks like I just wasted ten grand.”

Just learning to hook? It would be hard for me to believe that Matsuda paid Gotch ten grand to teach him to hook.

Well, that’s the story…

Yeah, I believe it’s a story, I believe that, but I wouldn’t, couldn’t believe Matsuda would pay him that. Gotch loved to work out, and he could,
because when I worked out with him sometimes in Australia, there was nothing I---he was showing me the hooks, but when you’re trying
to get the hooks on someone who knows how to wrestle, that’s something else again. So, now, Gotch could hook me, but I wasn’t a
wrestler. And he could hook Joe Scarpa. Joe Scarpa’s a pretty tough guy, but… it’s not like we were really shooting, it was a workout.
Hell… there was one time in Little Rock, Arkansas, when I was working with Danny Hodge. And we were doing something, and he says
to the referee, he says, “Ask him if he wants to give up.”

I said, “Danny, you couldn’t make me give up if you tried.”

He said, “Could if I wanted to.”

I said, “No, you can’t.”

He said, “Want me to show you?”

“Yeah, show me.” So he is doing everything in the world to try to hook me. And he couldn’t do it. Danny, in an amateur match, Danny could
have gained a lot of points on me. But he doesn’t know how to hook. So Danny is---Danny has no, no idea how to hook. Now he will tell
you, and I’ve seen him give demos, and he’ll take some wrestling fan and say, “Give me your hand,“ and put a wristlock on him, but they’
re handing him their hand. But Danny, he couldn’t hook me. Very powerful hands, he could squeeze a pair of pliers and break the
handles, but they’re not doing anything back to him.

Okay. Now, when you hit Hawaii, was that on the way to or from Australia?

That was on the way back from Australia, and I won the Hawaiian Islands championship from Luther Lindsey.

Was that the only time you ever wrestled him?

Yes, I believe so. Good guy.

And then back to Central States?

Yeah.

Now somewhere in here you started working in the AWA and the Omaha territory.

I worked for Joe Dusek, in Omaha, Nebraska, yeah. That’s where I met up with Tim Woods again. We were partners a lot up there.

He never ran Milwaukee, did he? Because…

No, he ran everything in Nebraska; Sioux City, Iowa; Sioux Falls, South Dakota… he didn’t run Minneapolis, he didn’t run Milwaukee at
all…

… because I’ve got a result here for you in Milwaukee.

I might have gone up, did some shots up there, for Verne (Gagne), some outside shots for Dusek. Him and Verne were partners.

Right. September ’66, I’ve got you in Milwaukee drawing with Chris Markoff on the same card Jim Raschke, Baron von Raschke,
made his debut on, ring any kinda bell?

I remember meeting Von Raschke when he first started…

Okay, that mighta been it. You stayed in Nebraska…

I stayed in Nebraska about seven or eight months, went back to Kansas City.

And was that when you met up with Jack Donovan?

Yes.

‘Cause I’ve got a match here, you vs. Jack Donovan, in St. Joe in probably sometime like about… mid-‘67?

Yeah. I had been thinking to turn heel for years, but like the first person who ever mentioned to me turning heel---but it was always in my
mind---I was doing a St. Louis TV, where I met Edouard Carpentier, and he told me that, he said, “You know, someday you’re gonna really
make your money in this business as a bleached-blond heel.”

And I told him, “Well, that’s what I’ve been thinkin’ myself, I just want to take the right opportunity.”

And so in Kansas City, was when Jack Donovan approached me and asked if I’d thought of working heel, and I said, “Yeah, all the time.”
But I didn’t want to start in a new territory and start on the bottom as a heel. And Jack was already over in Oklahoma, the Assassins had
just left to go to Georgia. And they were using all tag teams in Oklahoma. So this was when I bleached my hair blond and went to
Oklahoma as a heel, as Jack’s partner. That was how I was able to start as main event right off the bat.

And that was the start of ‘Handsome Ronnie’.

Right. We started on Oklahoma TV. I tell ya, workin’ heel, I felt so comfortable.

Did you find a lot of the Buddy Rogers things starting to click at this point?

Oh, absolutely. Yes. Absolutely.

Because watching you, later as Buddy Colt, there was definitely something Rogers-esque about the way you did some of the things
you did.

Well, a lot of his things… I didn’t try to copy him, I tried to simulate him, a lot of his things, and I admired the way he hit the ring, and the
way he would control a match and the way he would guide a match.

Was there anybody else who you would say was an influence on you like Rogers was?

Frankly, no. You have to develop your own style.

Okay, one question here---did McGuirk run some towns in Missouri?

Yeah, he ran Springfield, Missouri…

And like Joplin… ?

Yeah.

Yeah, ‘cause I’m doing my homework for this thing and I’m seeing most of Missouri and it’s the Kansas City crew, and some towns it’
s the Oklahoma crew.  Now Danny Hodge was in there at this point? And the Briscos?

Yeah…

Was this where you f---

… where I first met the Briscos, yeah. One thing that happened during this time was, one time it was the Brisco Brothers working Jack
Donovan and myself in New Orleans. And Jack (Donovan) and myself are in the ring, and we have the U.S. tag team championships, or
whatever the things called themselves at that time. And Jack had his belt over his shoulder. I had my jacket on, and my belt was on under
my jacket. So the Briscos come running in the ring, and Jack Brisco goes running over to Jack Donovan, punches him in the gut. Jack
Donovan doubles over, you know, like he’s had the wind knocked out of him. Gerald sees that, Gerald comes over and really hauls off
and lays one in my stomach. I had the belt on under my jacket---

(laughs)

---and he busts his hand all up. …

… oh God…

… he’s got blood streaming from his hand. I opened my jacket and boy, I had a hell of a laugh. …

… I bet…

… he had to feel stupid, being a babyface.

Are you still in touch with Jack Donovan? I heard he just had to go back in for some more chemo treatments.

Yeah, he’s not doing too well.

Okay, now is the next major move to Amarillo?

Yeah, but this was after we had a riot in Oklahoma City. This was during a gimmick match where Jack Donovan and Danny Hodge were
in a singles match, and I was in the other match. So the gimmick of the match was to have me handcuffed and chained to the ringpost so
I couldn’t interfere.

So anyway, Danny Hodge gets the pinfall on Jack Donovan. The sheriff comes over and undoes one handcuff. I get up into the ring and I’
m holding up Danny’s hand, and I hit him in the back of the head with the chain. Danny goes down and gets blood, and the sight of the
blood and the place exploded, must have been fifty people in the ring in four or five seconds, and they were all after me, but I had the three-
foot length of chain doubled up, I started swinging the chain at all these people, and all these wrestling fans in the ring, somebody had a
big, sharp knife, and they just started slashing wildly, as they were getting away from me and the chain.

Anyway, when the cops started getting people out of the ring, Danny Hodge was laying there with the cheek of his rear end slashed wide
open. And so was Jack Donovan, they were both laying there really slashed open really bad. So they wound up having to take them both
to the hospital, they had to go in the same ambulance. And they both wound up with over 200 stitches to have their cuts sewn up.

So anyway, I leave there, and Jack’s wife Verne (Bottoms) was in the back, and her son, and so we leave there and we go to the hospital.
So I walk in the door of the Emergency Room, which is where we were told that Jack Donovan and Danny Hodge were, and some
redneck guy stands up and says, “Here’s that son of a bitch that hit me with the chain,” as he was laying there with his face all bloody. And
I said, “Ohh shit,” but luckily some cop was there and he kept anyone from swinging. I thought ’now I’m gonna have to fight in the
Emergency Room’.  And that was shortly after that that I left to Amarillo.

Was it partially that the heat just got too hot?

Well, no, I didn’t leave because of the heat, I left because it was time to move on.

When you went to Amarillo, did you go in as Buddy Colt?

Yes. First time I was Buddy Colt.

Okay. What… I don’t know how to ask this so it doesn’t end up as a rhetorical question, but… you weren’t doing bad as Ron Reed, I
mean, the name was getting around, this and that, but you just---

I didn’t like the name ‘Ronnie Reed’. I didn’t think it fit where I wanted to go as a heel.

You just wanted to get the hell away from the pretty boy gimmick?

Yes. Absolutely.

Was the ‘Buddy’ from Buddy Rogers?

No, not really. I was just trying to come up with something that would stick easily in people’s minds.

You were… ‘branding’.

Yes.

Now was this when you changed the gear, too, to the long tights with the red stripe?

No, I was still wearing regular trunks.

Now was there any back story to explain this ‘Buddy Colt’ who was obviously an experienced wrestler just coming in out of the blue?

Well, I had never been to Amarillo as Ron Reed. I was starting all over again as a single heel, and ‘Ronnie Reed’ just didn’t sound right.

Tell me about the territory and working for the Funks.

Well, I enjoyed it. I had a good time. There were long trips---Amarillo to Albuquerque, Albuquerque to El Paso, El Paso to Lubbock, doing
that loop every week, but I had fun doing it. I traveled a lot with Gorgeous George Jr. who was my tag team partner. He was a guy who had
traveled around the country playing with a country band before he got in the business. Ernie Mohammed broke him into the business in
Phoenix, and he later legally changed his name to George Wagner, the name of the original Gorgeous George. And now with Gorgeous---
I forgot about this---we were talking about the times I jumped bond, and this was a similar situation.

We were working El Paso on a Sunday night and we went across the bridge to Juarez, Mexico, to party. And while we’re in there, some girl
comes up, wanted to get money from George. He told her, “Go get it from your fuckin’ friends.“

Girl goes down there to talk to her fuckin’ friends, one guy comes up and says to George, “If I had you out in the country, you’d be in a
whole mess of trouble.”

At the time, George and myself were the tag team champions, no asshole is going to talk to George like that. I tell George, “Nobody can
talk to you that way.“ I go down there, tell the fuckin’ guy, “Hey, you know, you fucker,“ I said, “if I had you out in the country, I’d have your
sorry ass hanging from the nearest cottonwood tree. Let’s you and me go outside.” So I take about three steps and spun around, jacked
him from the floor up. He went back down and hit the back of his head on the concrete floor, head split open, his mouth was busted open.
I said, “George, let’s get out of here,” so we walked out the door, got in the car, went back across the bridge.

The next day, Ricky Romero, you know, one of the Mexican stars…

Sure, the Youngbloods’ dad…

… he told me, “Don’t go back into Juarez, they’re looking for you, they have a bench warrant out for you.”

I said, “Okay, I’ll stay out of there.”

Anyway, six months later, George and myself were back in El Paso with Cowboy Lang, one of the midget wrestlers. We figured ’well, the
heat must be off by now‘. So we drove over into Juarez and there’s two bleached blonds and a midget walking down the street at two o
‘clock in the morning. We’re something, quite a sight. So I’d seen these two cops walk down the street, and they’re talking and looking at
us... two more cops come up, and they’re talking…all the sudden there’s about eight cops that are converging on us from all sides of the
street. So one cop walked up to me, said, “Hey you, what’s your name?”

I said, “Harley Race.”

(laughs)

Then they ask Gorgeous George, “Hey, what’s your name?“

He said, “Buddy Colt.”

Oh, fuckin’ brilliant.

Yeah. And there’s still the warrant on me, and they’re thinking Gorgeous is Buddy Colt, so they had us handcuffed and they marched us
down to the police station. I tried to tell the cop, I said, “You know, he’s not really Buddy Colt. Buddy Colt is chickenshit, he’s over in El
Paso, he’s scared to come back here. His name’s really Gorgeous George.”

He said, “Oh, you wrestlers have many names.”

So all these cops are milling around the police station and talking Mexican Spanish, and I heard ‘Curly’s’, which was name of the bar
where I decked the guy.

And this one cop is heading out the door, so I ask this other cop who speaks English, “Hey, where’s he going?”

He says, “He’s going over to Curly’s, the guy Buddy Colt hit is there at the bar, and he’s bringing him back to do the identification.“

So I said, “Cowboy, let’s go get a drink,“ and we go out of the police station, with Gorgeous still in the handcuffs calling me an asshole,
and I said to the midget, “Time to go back to El Paso,“ because if the guy comes, he’ll identify me as the one who hit him. So we get back
in my car, cross the bridge back into El Paso.

And two or three hours later, still no Gorgeous. So I called Gory Guerrero, the promoter there, and he checked and called me back and
said, “Well, they identified Gorgeous as the one who hit him.”

So the next morning, I’m laying around the swimming pool at the motel with this beautiful little blonde German girl, and here comes
Gorgeous, still in his shorts and T-shirt and flip-flop shower shoes, and looking like he had stayed up all night, because he had. He had
stayed up all night sitting with his back against the wall, because here was this bleached-blond pretty boy in this cell with all these
criminals, and they kept trying to go behind him. And they had had the hearing first thing that morning, and Gory Guerrero got him a lawyer
down there, and the guy I hit wanted to be compensated for his bills, he had some chipped teeth and needed some stitches in the back
of his head and he missed a couple of days off work, and he would drop the charges. The whole thing came to about seven hundred
bucks, and so they arranged through the lawyer for Gory Guerrero to pay him off, and Gorgeous says, “You owe me.”

I said, “Bullshit. You were the one who started the whole thing.”

And he says, “I told Gory to take it out of your check.”

And I said, “Bull shit. You dumbass, you should have just told then you were Gorgeous George. Why did you tell them you were Buddy
Colt?”

He said, “Well, you lied, so I lied, too.”

I said, “Well, I’ll split it with you,” and that’s what we did.

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